Comments on: Conversation with 2 CJ Top Performers, Part III http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/ Insights and Thoughts from a World Class Internet Marketer Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:28:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Psychcopy Weapon http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1918 Psychcopy Weapon Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:21:36 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1918 So does this mean direct linking and affiliate marketing as we know it is OVER? Sure sounds like it. The idea of having to build dozens of websites with dozens of article/content pages seems to costly. Especially considering you may have to build many of these sites till you get a profitable one. And even still you might only be making $50 a day! The cost to build these sites, then test what content pulls, what doesn't and where to put affiliate links and where not to, and then of course the testing of the keywords seems to make affiliate marketing on Google cost-prohibitive. Your thoughts? So does this mean direct linking and affiliate marketing as we know it is OVER? Sure sounds like it.

The idea of having to build dozens of websites with dozens of article/content pages seems to costly.

Especially considering you may have to build many of these sites till you get a profitable one.

And even still you might only be making $50 a day!

The cost to build these sites, then test what content pulls, what doesn’t and where to put affiliate links and where not to, and then of course the testing of the keywords seems to make affiliate marketing on Google cost-prohibitive.

Your thoughts?

]]> By: Brent http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1672 Brent Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:47:16 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1672 I am seeing the same thing as you fields. I have PR 4 sites that I can get 2 cent clicks all day long, and pause and restart the campaigns at will, while maintaining the same minimum bids. Of course pagerank itself doesn't matter, but pagerank is a sign of trust, and the trust is what matters. I am seeing the same thing as you fields. I have PR 4 sites that I can get 2 cent clicks all day long, and pause and restart the campaigns at will, while maintaining the same minimum bids. Of course pagerank itself doesn’t matter, but pagerank is a sign of trust, and the trust is what matters.

]]> By: fields http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1671 fields Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:51:55 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1671 Amit, I think pagerank is already factored into the Quality Score. I am seeing 2 cent minimum bids for two sites -- one pagerank 4 and the other a pagerank 8 site that I have done PPC campaigns for -- these are in pricey categories Whereas another site that I am promoting with no page rank but it has several original articles and was created with the quality score in mind is getting 5 cent minimum bids Anyways Im convinced that google give lower minimum bids to established and popular sites. Amit,

I think pagerank is already factored into the Quality Score. I am seeing 2 cent minimum bids for two sites — one pagerank 4 and the other a pagerank 8 site that I have done PPC campaigns for — these are in pricey categories

Whereas another site that I am promoting with no page rank but it has several original articles and was created with the quality score in mind is getting 5 cent minimum bids

Anyways Im convinced that google give lower minimum bids to established and popular sites.

]]> By: Franklin http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1666 Franklin Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:31:41 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1666 I can't agree more with you Amit!! That's what I have been thinking too; that Google Adwords does feel more and more like natural search it's getting really scary!! I understand Google's reasoning for being so "hard" on affiliates, and that's because they really want to provide quality to searchers. However at the same time, somehow it feels like it defeats the whole purpose of PPC? Most people who use PPC do it because they want the quick and instant traffic, and they pay for it!!! If Google gets so strict and tough on everyone, then more and people people will get Google slapped, and the more expensive the CPC they've got to pay, and I think people may get really angry in the end. What's also daunting is the fact that getting great Quality Score isn't something that the average people can do, at least not immediately. We affiliate marketers may understand the concept better because we breathe Adwords days and nights. But for example for the average person who just wants to market his/her own product, I think the sheer effort that's required to survive Adwords is kind of overwhelming. I mean, there are so many things to consider, such as properly writing the ad copy to ensure that people will be enticed to click. Then we have to do the keyword research properly and group them tightly (I have some friends who have no idea about this. They actually dump thousands of keywords into ONE ad group!!!) Then we have to make sure that the keywords in the landing page mimic the ones in the campaign and the ads, and many more.....somehow I don't think that the average people, especially those who use Adwords for the very first time, will appreciate all these hassles??!! I wonder what's Google's next move will be....may be Adwords sandbox?? May be factoring the amount of backlinks (of the landing page) into Quality Score? Or even keywords ranking? May be making us pay for organic listing? ;) Hopefully MSN and Yahoo won't end up being so tough too ;). I can’t agree more with you Amit!! That’s what I have been thinking too; that Google Adwords does feel more and more like natural search it’s getting really scary!!

I understand Google’s reasoning for being so “hard” on affiliates, and that’s because they really want to provide quality to searchers. However at the same time, somehow it feels like it defeats the whole purpose of PPC? Most people who use PPC do it because they want the quick and instant traffic, and they pay for it!!! If Google gets so strict and tough on everyone, then more and people people will get Google slapped, and the more expensive the CPC they’ve got to pay, and I think people may get really angry in the end.

What’s also daunting is the fact that getting great Quality Score isn’t something that the average people can do, at least not immediately. We affiliate marketers may understand the concept better because we breathe Adwords days and nights. But for example for the average person who just wants to market his/her own product, I think the sheer effort that’s required to survive Adwords is kind of overwhelming. I mean, there are so many things to consider, such as properly writing the ad copy to ensure that people will be enticed to click. Then we have to do the keyword research properly and group them tightly (I have some friends who have no idea about this. They actually dump thousands of keywords into ONE ad group!!!) Then we have to make sure that the keywords in the landing page mimic the ones in the campaign and the ads, and many more…..somehow I don’t think that the average people, especially those who use Adwords for the very first time, will appreciate all these hassles??!!

I wonder what’s Google’s next move will be….may be Adwords sandbox?? May be factoring the amount of backlinks (of the landing page) into Quality Score? Or even keywords ranking? May be making us pay for organic listing? ;)

Hopefully MSN and Yahoo won’t end up being so tough too ;) .

]]> By: Amit http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1656 Amit Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:49:50 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1656 Hi Dave, I sure hope you're right :) Sincerely, Amit Hi Dave,

I sure hope you’re right :)

Sincerely,
Amit

]]> By: Dave Palumbo http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1655 Dave Palumbo Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:05:06 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1655 --> I can tell you this is just the beginning, your niche might be next on their hit list, and honestly there’s no telling who they’ll go after next. Amit, I don't think G is targeting niches in particular. It appears to me more the quality of the site...For example, I know of a lot of "get rich quick" sites that are still faring quite well in terms of their avg CPC, position, etc.. But these are not thin sites with 5 pages of content...they are in fact useful sites with a lot of good content. But they do host landing pages promoting "get rich quick" type products, and are still doing just fine... Regards, - Dave –> I can tell you this is just the beginning, your niche might be next on their hit list, and honestly there’s no telling who they’ll go after next.

Amit, I don’t think G is targeting niches in particular. It appears to me more the quality of the site…For example, I know of a lot of “get rich quick” sites that are still faring quite well in terms of their avg CPC, position, etc.. But these are not thin sites with 5 pages of content…they are in fact useful sites with a lot of good content. But they do host landing pages promoting “get rich quick” type products, and are still doing just fine…

Regards,

- Dave

]]> By: Tim http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1654 Tim Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:35:34 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1654 We could use your voice of reason over at the PPC Classroom "Forums of Fury" where there seems to be a lot of "show me the millions and right now, Jeremy, or else I want a refund!" and "how do I get a tool where all I have to do is push a button and steal someone else's hard work to make a fast buck before Google kicks me off and I have to open a new account under a different name and IP address." ;) Maybe it does take a PhD in Physics! We could use your voice of reason over at the PPC Classroom “Forums of Fury” where there seems to be a lot of “show me the millions and right now, Jeremy, or else I want a refund!” and “how do I get a tool where all I have to do is push a button and steal someone else’s hard work to make a fast buck before Google kicks me off and I have to open a new account under a different name and IP address.” ;)

Maybe it does take a PhD in Physics!

]]> By: Matt Larson http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1648 Matt Larson Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:41:55 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1648 Yeah, I don't know if they'd go as far to go with pagerank. (I hope, at least) The kind of content that gets great link love doesn't always convert well. Just ask Aaron Wall about that. He talks about how poorly his site converts all the time. Yeah, I don’t know if they’d go as far to go with pagerank. (I hope, at least) The kind of content that gets great link love doesn’t always convert well. Just ask Aaron Wall about that. He talks about how poorly his site converts all the time.

]]> By: wesley http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1646 wesley Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:48:45 +0000 http://www.superaffiliatemindset.com/conversation-with-2-cj-top-performers-part-iii/#comment-1646 I don't think pagerank will ever matter for paid search, but all other factors as you mentioned (freshness of content, etc) will. Thanks for this. I don’t think pagerank will ever matter for paid search, but all other factors as you mentioned (freshness of content, etc) will. Thanks for this.

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